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Jul 26 11 3:02 PM
Ancient Alien theory has an answer for that: ETs. Is that part of your explanation?
No. Just plain old Human ingenuity.
Jul 26 11 3:07 PM
My best friend and business partner Walt passed away a couple of years ago........Interestingly, the two windows are in different rooms and seldom both open on the same days.
As I've already said, anecdotal "evidence". Your story is internally consistant with what you believe. So too was the story my friends told me, with regard to what they believe happened.
Jul 26 11 3:20 PM
"A broadsheet that dates from 1561, held in the Wickiana Collection of Switzerland's Zurich Central Library, describes an ancient battle of ufos over the skies of Nuremberg, Germany, on April 14th of that very same year. At sunrise, many people witnessed large numbers of dark red, blue and black 'globes' or 'plates' near the sun, 'some three in a row, now and then four in a square, also some alone. And amongst these globes some blood colored crosses were seen.' The document also refers to two great tubes ' in which three, four and more globes were seen. They then all began to fight each other.' This went on for about an hour, until 'they all fell...... from the sun and sky down to the earth, producing alot of steam'. Beneath the globes a long object that looked like a great black spear was also described as being seen."
It's a bit hard for me to really respond, the quote you posted comes from an unknown (to me) source, and it quotes sections from 1561 broadsheet, specifically those parts that would tend to support the quoters belief that the article in question describes a battle between rival alien aircraft. I've read, and at one time believed, enough of Von Danikens Ancient Astronaut "Theories", and the manner in which he manipulated the meaning of ancient Documents, carvings and other human artifacts, and natural phenomena, to take with a rather large grain of salt any quotes such as the above.
The article might also describe a meteor shower as seen at sun rise, with all the phenomena associated with viewing the sun and atmosphere, with the sun low in the sky. But I don't have enough information available to me, having only those peices that you and the person who is quoting the ancient document are willing to share.
As Rambo has already pointed out, in his reply to your Jane Goodall Quote, very often it's the bit left out that clearly show how the quotation has been manipulated to support a particular case.
Jul 26 11 4:07 PM
Jul 26 11 4:23 PM
So where is that human ingenuity today? We certainly can't quarry large granite stone blocks and load them for transport in 4 minutes. We can't truck large granite stone blocks over significant distances in 4 minutes per block -- even at 80 ton freight limits. And we certainly can't build with such blocks at anything approaching 1 block every 4 minutes. Ever watch workers put up a skyscraper or a cathedral? Very slow work when moving the big blocks is concerned.
For someone who wanted to know what it would take to convince a skeptic, you are puuting a lot of effort into trying to convince people that your view of the world is the one we should accept.
It's interesting the figures you give for capability and timing are the same as or similar to those the ETs cultists use (and as I recall are the same as the Von Danekin brigade use) to "prove" humans could not have built the pyramids. To the best of my knowledge Forensic Archeology has demonstrated, at least to my satisfaction, that the Great Pyramid of Cheops could easily have been bulit in the time period documented, and the smaller Pyramids in shorter periods of time, that the roadblocks the ET cultists would have us believe existed are imaginary.
Must have been that damned swamp gas or Venus seen through clouds.
Probably not. The descriptions would have been different.
Jul 26 11 4:42 PM
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Jul 26 11 5:19 PM
These are facts. I................. I have gradually and begrudgingly come to accept the fact that science can't explain everything.
I'm not disputing your facts. They are the facts as you understand and have related them. I have no way of knowing any different. I am in no position to come to any conclusion at all regarding your facts.
Your original posting was a question, asking what it would take to convince skeptics of various things. I gave you my answer. Your anecdotal evidence is not sufficient to cause me to consider even a remote possibility that such things as Ghosts exist, as a consequence I am not impressed by your belabouring the point. If I had more, and independent, information, I might even be able to come to a conclusion.
As I have already pointed out your story is internally consistant with what you believe. I can say no more.
Jul 26 11 5:23 PM
You are the one refusing to consider this situation realistically. Not me. Do you know what I think? I think you are the one trying desperately to convince me (and perhaps others here) of your world view.
If I was doing that I would have published links to articles supporting my world view. Instead I have merely stated what I found convincing, and what I have not found convincing. I don't find the ET cultist explanation convincing, at least not anymore.
Jul 26 11 5:24 PM
Jul 26 11 5:27 PM
re: 12 ta
BTW, I asked (in the thread post) for what evidence you would accept to consider the elements listed as possible; I didn't ask for your beliefs nor for whether or not you thought that evidence existed. Thus post 12 is totally non responsive
You get that from time to time. Such is life.
Jul 26 11 5:31 PM
Jul 26 11 5:50 PM
re: 28 ta
My ghost posts were primarily replies to johnsa, not you. He asked me the question.
re: 29 ta
Realism is in the numbers. What you find convincing or unconvincing is of no interest to me.
Numbers can be manipulated to tell almost anything. Demostrations, not so much. I'll go with the demonstrations. But as you are not impressed by what impresses me, the point is obviously moot.
You are clearly convinced that there are Ghosts and ET built the Pyramids, and I'm not. You are clearly convinced by the arguments of the ET cultists, and I'm not, lets go our seperate ways. Neither of us apparently gives a rats arse what the other thinks, so why are we arguing?
Jul 26 11 5:58 PM
Jul 26 11 8:03 PM
I know how to cut granite. You need diamond tipped saws, water cooling and plenty of patience. I figure you could cut one 2.5 ton granite block (6 faces) in about 4 hours minimum. I know how to load trucks for heavy loads. It takes big equipment with lots of power to grasp, lift and load a tractor trailer with multi-ton blocks of anything. (Figure an hour easy). And even you should be able to figure that if a quarry site is 100 miles from the building site, that's a 2 hour drive -- without considering loading and unloading; so add another couple of hours to the tally. So if you haul the maximum number of blocks (smallest = 2.5 tons) with an 80 ton carry limit, that's 32 blocks in 240 minutes minimum just for transport plus loading and unloading. Then there's the placing of the stones at the project. It would require a heavy duty rig like used to build football stadiums. I estimate half an hour per block. So puting this all together, I calculate a 32 block cycle to take [32x4] + + [0.5] = 132.5 hrs. And 132.5/32 blocks = 248.4 minutes per block. This is over 60 times as long as the ancient Egyptians reportedly took to do the same tasks if working 24/7/365/20. And that's without any problems whatsoever in a twenty year period. (Absolutely no way!)
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