Well.
The Alley really is the death nell of topics I see.
This really isn't the place for individuals to "duke it out", but rather the forum that allows those who wish to run away from a topic an excuse to discontinue any effort at all to support their claims, thus allowing them to continue to feel that they are somehow morally superior without the slightest effort on their part.

Fiery Red

Motorcycle racing and bull riding are the only true sports, the rest are just games.
-Hemingway.