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Oct 8 03 11:48 PM
Quote:I still call Caelias post in error for the chances are pretty good that both tribes would have some form of religion also!
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Oct 9 03 7:41 AM
Quote:Understood, and thanks, but in my opinion (IMO) every debater uses his/her own opinions even when they are plagiarized from texts, writings or studies done by any other interested party portraying personal opinions.
Oct 9 03 10:46 AM
Quote:If you say "It's a proven fact that Christians of all ages have been prone to violence and deceit", I will demand that you actually have some verifiable source to back this up. So you wrote "Studies have shone". You took it back and you apologized for it, but apparently without getting the idea that what you wrote wasn't bad because I happened to call you on it - it's bad because claiming things to be true, despite you knowing that they're not true, is bad. And that's what makes it hard to trust what you write, not the lack of "IMO".
Quote:On topic: The similarity between (some parts of) religions and (some parts of) science could perhaps be that they try to explain the same things. Like origin. The fact that they have different explanations for the same thing causes some people to be upset, and some other people to accept both answers for what they are - different. Religion isn't (or usually isn't) trying to explain origin in a way that would be helpful to an archeologist. Science isn't trying to explain *why* we are here as much as *how* we came here. People who think of science as their religion is only slightly less scary than people who think of religion as science. I think both groups try to fill two differently shaped holes with one block and finding that it doesn't quite fit in both.
Quote:I am constantly hearing, from people who accept the Bible more or less literally, that the Higher Criticism has been outmoded and discredited, but I don't believe that at all. This is just something that people say who insist on clinging to the literal truth of the Bible. The Higher Criticism, which in the nineteenth century, for example, tried to show that the first few books of the Bible contained several strains that could be identified and separated. I think is as valid today as it ever was. Fundamentally, there is a J-document and a P-document in the early chapters of Genesis and an E-document later on. I have no doubt that as one continues to investigate these things one constantly learns and raises new questions.
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Oct 9 03 3:15 PM
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Quote:I have decided that it might be more fun to start a thread that questions whether Jesus was/IS actually God!
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Dec 3 03 9:20 AM
Quote:Then too, I wonder if we will ever see bulletins within the halls of science, apologize for accepting and perpetrating deliberate frauds into the minds of vulnerable students? I am afraid it's going to be a long wait.
Dec 3 03 9:59 AM
Quote:He doesn't say things just to tickle the board's ears. He also is responsible for what he says even to the point of apologizing when he's done no wrong
Dec 4 03 2:23 AM
Quote:He could just have easily meant, (and I for one, think he did) that no matter what primitive culture one chooses to study, if there are societal remnants of that particular tribe, to any reasonable degree, you will find...some sort of religious connection.
Quote:The accusation of liar is so easily thrown around here, it is almost a shame. But I guess it is ok, just as long as the forum is padded so as to accept it.
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Dec 4 03 8:26 AM
Quote:"On topic: The similarity between (some parts of) religions and (some parts of) science could perhaps be that they try to explain the same things. Like origin.
Quote:The fact that they have different explanations for the same thing causes some people to be upset, and some other people to accept both answers for what they are - different.
Quote:As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality
Quote:Science isn't trying to explain *why* we are here as much as *how* we came here.
Quote:Religion isn't (or usually isn't) trying to explain origin in a way that would be helpful to an archeologist.
Quote:I think both groups try to fill two differently shaped holes with one block and finding that it doesn't quite fit in both.
Quote:People who think of science as their religion is only slightly less scary than people who think of religion as science.
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