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Rambo123UK 
Hyperdrive: Reality? 
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I've just finished reading the January Issue of New Scientist (I think the Feb copy is out now) but the cover article was on the idea of a hyperdrive, based on an expansion of a theory that predicts the masses of subatomic particles  something the standard theory is unable to do! This theory, that of Burkhard Heim, is almost unknown due to the fact it was only published in German and the maths is somewhat difficult to follow. It uses the idea of 2 dimensional subspace in addition to our own 4 dimensions of space and time. Since it allows the conversion of gravity into EM energy and viceversa, it would be a unified field theory  something Einstein struggled for so long, at the same time  to produce. There's a website link I'm just about to check out for those that are interested: www.heimtheory.com

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JohnSA  Re: Hyperdrive: Reality?  
I don't understand the maths behind it, but it seems as though they have been experimenting for a number of years with 'hyperdrive'. Here is a NASA document from 1999...
www.msfc.nasa.gov/news/ne...9079.html There is an interesting article here... www.exn.ca/starwars/hyperdrive.cfm 

GreatWyrm of Babylon  Re: Hyperdrive: Reality?  
While it might be a unified field theory, when are people going to quit mistaking simple integration for alternate dimensions?
The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard will almost surely eventually type every book in France's Bibliothèque nationale de France (National Library). In the restatement of the theorem most popular among English speakers, the monkeys eventually type out the collected works of William Shakespeare.Remember this whenever you think that a government can do a job that it was not designed for. They will eventually get working results but it is hardly worth the effort.


Rambo123UK  Re: Hyperdrive: Reality?  
They aren't alternate dimensions, they're extra dimensions. M theory certainly has 11 seperate dimensions, though most of them are still folded up at about the planck scale. The idea of a fifth spatial dimension comes originally from Theodor Kaluza and Oskar Klein.
These extra dimensions are not simply an artefact of a mathematical tool. On the other hand, holographic theory suggests that there may in fact be less dimensions than we percieve  or at least, it might depend on your perspective as to how many dimensions there are. 
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GreatWyrm of Babylon  Re: Hyperdrive: Reality?  
Aternate and extra dimensions only have a different meaning after you get specific since both require "extra" dimensions. You may want to explain the concept you are trying to push afterall I fall one math course of qualifing as a math major.
How do you have an "extra" dimension anyway? Did we aquire extras from buying them in bulk? The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard will almost surely eventually type every book in France's Bibliothèque nationale de France (National Library). In the restatement of the theorem most popular among English speakers, the monkeys eventually type out the collected works of William Shakespeare.Remember this whenever you think that a government can do a job that it was not designed for. They will eventually get working results but it is hardly worth the effort.


HFMoon  Re: Hyperdrive: Reality?  
In the context being discussed above, alternate and extra have very different meanings. But it's easy to see how one could decide to use them interchangeably (though, as in all things, it helps conversation to make such usage clear upfront).
I believe the concept Rambo's trying to push can be read about indetail at the link he provided. Just like the info there suggested I would be, I'm totally unfamiliar with Heim's work. It looks interesting, though. Definitely going on my reading list (though I don't know how far into the guts I can get, of course. Conceptually it sounds unique, so far.) It most certainly looks nothing like any of the usual errorladen "unknown but totally true!!11!1!oneoneone" "theories" that pop up on the internet, and that's a wonderful thing. I'll probably be getting the Jan (that's '06, right?) New Scientist sometime next month or in March. Can't wait to read what they wrote up on this. Quote: Now that is humorous! Good to see it. 

GreatWyrm of Babylon  Re: Hyperdrive: Reality?  
The concept is not exactly new, most mathematical models interrelate different energy levels by integration, rotations, or matrix manipulations. Being a matrix manipulation this is the form I am least skilled with so I do not know if I should be concerned that he ignores the imaginary parts of the equations. I really am not sure if this part is SOP or not.
For example: K (kenetic energy) = 1/2 M(V^2) this is an integration of W (work) = MV. Integration is effectively adding another variable to any given equation. The added variable may or may not represent an added dimension, the problem is, the only way to prove it is not involves proving a negative. The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard will almost surely eventually type every book in France's Bibliothèque nationale de France (National Library). In the restatement of the theorem most popular among English speakers, the monkeys eventually type out the collected works of William Shakespeare.Remember this whenever you think that a government can do a job that it was not designed for. They will eventually get working results but it is hardly worth the effort.


Rambo123UK  Re: Hyperdrive: Reality?  
Let's move away from Heim a minute, where the extra dimensions can be viewed simply as a mathematical tool and talk about strings toillustrate my point. String theory needs extra physical dimensions for the strings to vibrate in.
But all of these dimensions are extra, additional dimensions. Alternate would imply they were somehow interchangeable. The idea of alternate dimensions or alternate realities is a different concept sometimes used in quantum calculations such as those by Hawking of "sumover histories" where the probabilities for a subatomic particle are viewed in terms of the particle's history in a number of alternate universes where all the possible outcomes take place. This is entirely different from extra dimensions that our universe has that we simply cannot percieve. www.answers.com/topic/heimtheory  Heim originally decided on 4 extra dimensions (8 dimensional space) but discarded two as at that time he didn't see them as serving a purpose. Lately, the number of dimensions has reached 12 (M theory has 11). 
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GreatWyrm of Babylon  Re: Hyperdrive: Reality?  
Um, extra means we do not need them. So you are saying we have unneeded dimensions laying around collecting unemployment?
The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard will almost surely eventually type every book in France's Bibliothèque nationale de France (National Library). In the restatement of the theorem most popular among English speakers, the monkeys eventually type out the collected works of William Shakespeare.Remember this whenever you think that a government can do a job that it was not designed for. They will eventually get working results but it is hardly worth the effort.


Rambo123UK  Re: Hyperdrive: Reality?  
"Extra" as in additional to the 3+1 we know of. Extra: Outside of, beyond. Extra does not mean redundant.

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