I would also say that I make no differentiation between cartoons made from real life - meaning real pictures that have been manipulated to make them look like cartoons - and those drawn from scratch. It is the intention to arouse using images of children that is the issue here.
Just too keep the discussion flowing, one thing that would be difficult to ascertain is 'did the person make the cartoons with the intention of arousing someones Libido', or did they simply produce them with intent on making money, because that seems to be what the public wants. It is not an excuse to say "well that is what they want, so I have to give it to them", i.e. the Arousal of the Libido, but like we have said over here, "just because I say 'someone' should be shot, does not mean that is my fault if someone goes out and does it", unless of course I knew for a fact that by saying it, there was a particular someone who was just waiting to hear it, that is I knew that my words would cause the action. "Will no one rid me of this troublesome Cleric"

In that respect, it would then come down to proving that this was the intent of the artist/author vs the fact that for some people they need a really good shrink. It is well known in the Field of Psychiatry that a person can become aroused from just hearing the sound of someone taking a leak. The whole genre of "water sports" as it were has it's own following. We have banned images of folks taking a leak, because it could be "sexual" in nature. That hasn't seem to dent the number of people who go around getting their rocks off watching someone take a piss; not even in the countries where it is 'verboten' to do so. There is even a whole line of special clothing for the purpose, aka Vinyl shorts and dresses.

Obviously we can not ban people from urinating, nor can we can ban people from going to the bathroom and waiting to hear the sound of "Golden Rain", though we can say that "Boys must be Boys" and "Girls must be Girls" unless we do not have sufficient facilities for separate genders. This is something we are facing here, as many of the Dorms have gone completely co-ed, up to and including the bathrooms. Further we can't discriminate against someone who looks male and self-Id's as female. We have made some floors 'single gender' only usually all female because we have 65%-75% of the current undergrads being female.

We can however, ban someone from standing around in the bathroom all day, harassing folks and generally just loitering there since the bathrooms aren't big enough to hold everyone all at once. And folks could 'stress out' about taking a whiz in public "just in case someone gets excited" and try to make all bathrooms 'single use only'. The key of course is that 'draining the lizard' is not damaging to someone else, unless you actually shower them with "golden love" and they ingest it (hepatitis) regularly.

So, while the subject of 'Child Abuse' is more than enough for me to get up on the high horse, to say that the only reason for the depictions is to "arouse" someone that is make a judgement that is basically impossible to discern.  This is not saying that some folks won't get off on it, but then we had the case in South Korea  where a middle school teacher 'beat a student' for listening to music in class, and then went out in the Hall way dropped his pants, and actually started to masturbate. Disturbing enough as it is, but the police there actually said that "they were questioning the suspect, but don't see any mental problems with the person". Thus actual child abuse is being institutionalized by the authorities.

However, the fact that some folks 'get off on it', is not a reason to cause someone to ban something, regardless of how disgusting it is to other. So in that respect, if the artists are not purposefully causing 'intentional arousal' then it would be difficult to say "this can no longer be". On the other hand, it could be more along the lines of some countries where there say "we allow drinking at any age, and drunks will happen, so we have no alcoholics here", i.e. the major river in Egypt "De Nial"

Molly say:
So keep fightin' for freedom and justice, beloveds, but don't you forget to have fun doin' it. Lord, let your laughter ring forth. Be outrageous, ridicule the fraidy-cats, rejoice in all the oddities that freedom can produce. And when you get through kickin' ass and celebratin' the sheer joy of a good fight, be sure to tell those who come after how much fun it was.

       

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