OK, I've had a good read of this thread and think that, although everyone else seems to have tried to be reasonable, Jia has responded with insults.

This thread is now going into the Alley.

Jai, a word of advice... in debate people often disagree with what you are saying. It doesn't mean that they dislike you, or even dislike your argument - they just disagree with what you are saying.

I'm telling you this now for future reference - I am taking a harder line with personal insults, so if you wish to stay here, please refrain from insulting people.

John